Comments on: CCTV: Common sense or just Hot Fuzz? http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/cctv-common-sense-or-hot-fuzz Heart of the Teifi Valley / Calon Dyffryn Teifi Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:09:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Pamela Gaunt http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/cctv-common-sense-or-hot-fuzz/comment-page-1#comment-75 Pamela Gaunt Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:16:06 +0000 http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/cctv-good-sense-or-hot-fuzz#comment-75 I do not want to be critical/negative/ or undermining to those who have done the work, raised the money and implemented that which they believe in..i.e. CCTV cameras. I may not share that belief, and it may not fit well with my political, cultural, or spiritual philosophy so I certainly cannot cheer it... however, I choose to respect that they are genuinely doing what they think is good for the town. And they have the political power for their way to be implemented. I hope they have read and learned from the excellent questions and issues raised in this website discussion by members of the community and take on board other concerns,ideas and suggestions. And I hope that some real facts and information is honestly distributed to us all after say, six months,or a year, to reveal what crime rate or incidents have changed. Not to make anyone 'right' or 'wrong' but to have intelligent, informed evaluation of an experiment. From that, wise decisions could be made by our future town leaders. What we all want is for Janet (who so honestly shared her experience) to have more peace and safety in her neighbourhood. We have amongst us many different opinions of how that could best happen. My feedback to H.Morgan is that I am not interested in devils advocate/forceful to get a reponse/ conflict based/ending up as a cheering winner or a proven loser ways of relating and communicating. For me, those ways are part of the problem. And dont open peoples hearts to each other....which I believe is the only real way of change. I apologise to our young people of Newcastle Emlyn for the huge challenge of turning around the escalating violence in their world, which we have given them as their inheritance. I also apologise to the young people of Newcastle Emlyn for the failures of the generation of H Morgan and myself to make your world easier and safer and that we have to turn cameras onto you because we dont know how to do it any better or different. I really apologise. In fact Im quite gutted. I wish you well as you grow and learn so you may pass on something better to your youngsters... I do not want to be critical/negative/ or undermining to those who have done the work, raised the money and implemented that which they believe in..i.e. CCTV cameras. I may not share that belief, and it may not fit well with my political, cultural, or spiritual philosophy so I certainly cannot cheer it… however, I choose to respect that they are genuinely doing what they think is good for the town. And they have the political power for their way to be implemented.

I hope they have read and learned from the excellent questions and issues raised in this website discussion by members of the community and take on board other concerns,ideas and suggestions. And I hope that some real facts and information is honestly distributed to us all after say, six months,or a year, to reveal what crime rate or incidents have changed. Not to make anyone ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ but to have intelligent, informed evaluation of an experiment. From that, wise decisions could be made by our future town leaders.

What we all want is for Janet (who so honestly shared her experience) to have more peace and safety in her neighbourhood. We have amongst us many different opinions of how that could best happen.

My feedback to H.Morgan is that I am not interested in devils advocate/forceful to get a reponse/ conflict based/ending up as a cheering winner or a proven loser ways of relating and communicating. For me, those ways are part of the problem. And dont open peoples hearts to each other….which I believe is the only real way of change.

I apologise to our young people of Newcastle Emlyn for the huge challenge of turning around the escalating violence in their world, which we have given them as their inheritance. I also apologise to the young people of Newcastle Emlyn for the failures of the generation of H Morgan and myself to make your world easier and safer and that we have to turn cameras onto you because we dont know how to do it any better or different.

I really apologise. In fact Im quite gutted.

I wish you well as you grow and learn so you may pass on something better to your youngsters…

]]> By: H. Morgan http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/cctv-common-sense-or-hot-fuzz/comment-page-1#comment-74 H. Morgan Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:32:17 +0000 http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/cctv-good-sense-or-hot-fuzz#comment-74 I used the term Devils Advocate as an expression because, although I do believe in what I have said, I may have been a little more forceful in some respects in order to get a response. Yes they are coming. Yawhooo. I used the term Devils Advocate as an expression because, although I do believe in what I have said, I may have been a little more forceful in some respects in order to get a response. Yes they are coming. Yawhooo.

]]> By: A Jones http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/cctv-common-sense-or-hot-fuzz/comment-page-1#comment-73 A Jones Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:10:15 +0000 http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/cctv-good-sense-or-hot-fuzz#comment-73 There are plenty of people living above the shops, to which these cameras will have field of view. Will these camera's be subject to planning permission? Interested in what steps are made to secure the data and what the data retention period will be (none/indefinitely probably). In theory, due to the limited numbers of people (<100) likely to be monitored (and more like 10 and often under 18)- surely this could be classed invasion of our right to 'privacy' in public under the human rights act, monitoring such small numbers and such a small area with little or no provision in cost about encrypting data. Sounds more like a perverts dream come true, maybe they will find a nice odd jobbing caretaker (with previous allegations) aka. 'Ian Huntley' type to run the system for us, once its installed. There are plenty of people living above the shops, to which these cameras will have field of view. Will these camera’s be subject to planning permission? Interested in what steps are made to secure the data and what the data retention period will be (none/indefinitely probably). In theory, due to the limited numbers of people (<100) likely to be monitored (and more like 10 and often under 18)- surely this could be classed invasion of our right to ‘privacy’ in public under the human rights act, monitoring such small numbers and such a small area with little or no provision in cost about encrypting data. Sounds more like a perverts dream come true, maybe they will find a nice odd jobbing caretaker (with previous allegations) aka. ‘Ian Huntley’ type to run the system for us, once its installed.

]]> By: Jeremy Clulow http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/cctv-common-sense-or-hot-fuzz/comment-page-1#comment-72 Jeremy Clulow Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:35:05 +0000 http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/cctv-good-sense-or-hot-fuzz#comment-72 I don't think H Morgan need defend the charge of being aggressive. I reserve that term for the people who he/she is trying to prevent from bringing their violent ways onto the streets of NCE on Friday and Saturday nights. I, also, have learned that using the first few thousand pounds of the (new) target of £25,000, the first cameras will be installed at the opposite end of the town to where the trouble tends to happen – ie the junction of College Street and New Road around the Central Cafe. For technical reasons apparently. The CCTV company is obviously keen to get it’s foot in the door by making a start. However I’m a bit worried by he/she describing him/herself as a “devil’s advocate”, the definition of which is “One who argues against a cause or position, not as a committed opponent but simply for the sake of argument or to determine the validity of the cause or position”. If we are arguing against someone who is engaging in sport, rather than honest debate, that’s very sad. I thought I was discussing the issues with someone who actually believed what he/she was saying. I don’t think H Morgan need defend the charge of being aggressive. I reserve that term for the people who he/she is trying to prevent from bringing their violent ways onto the streets of NCE on Friday and Saturday nights.

I, also, have learned that using the first few thousand pounds of the (new) target of £25,000, the first cameras will be installed at the opposite end of the town to where the trouble tends to happen – ie the junction of College Street and New Road around the Central Cafe. For technical reasons apparently. The CCTV company is obviously keen to get it’s foot in the door by making a start.

However I’m a bit worried by he/she describing him/herself as a “devil’s advocate”, the definition of which is “One who argues against a cause or position, not as a committed opponent but simply for the sake of argument or to determine the validity of the cause or position”.

If we are arguing against someone who is engaging in sport, rather than honest debate, that’s very sad. I thought I was discussing the issues with someone who actually believed what he/she was saying.

]]> By: H. Morgan http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/cctv-common-sense-or-hot-fuzz/comment-page-1#comment-71 H. Morgan Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:07:56 +0000 http://www.newcastle-emlyn.com/cctv-good-sense-or-hot-fuzz#comment-71 I really have stirred up a hornets nest. I am these days of he older generation and having lived in Emlyn for over 50 yrs I have seen the changes. I suspect that a number of people who have had their say are fairly new to the area and possibly experienced worse situations in large cities and towns. Coming to this rural "backwater" I suspect that you had left the effects of the town. Unfortunately, it is catching up with all of us. As for the charge of being aggressive, I had no wish to offend Pamela or any other participant, but at the end of the day the votes appear to be split 50/50. I say this, as I have been told that the decision to place cameras in the town has been made and that the first of many will be in situation before Christmas. I look forward to being the devil's advocate again, one day. I really have stirred up a hornets nest. I am these days of he older generation and having lived in Emlyn for over 50 yrs I have seen the changes. I suspect that a number of people who have had their say are fairly new to the area and possibly experienced worse situations in large cities and towns. Coming to this rural “backwater” I suspect that you had left the effects of the town. Unfortunately, it is catching up with all of us.

As for the charge of being aggressive, I had no wish to offend Pamela or any other participant, but at the end of the day the votes appear to be split 50/50. I say this, as I have been told that the decision to place cameras in the town has been made and that the first of many will be in situation before Christmas.

I look forward to being the devil’s advocate again, one day.

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